1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Tonight on Unsolved Mysteries. 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,480 Newlywed Judy Smith joined her husband 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,720 on a business trip to Philadelphia. 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,320 Then she vanished without a trace. 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,560 Some believe she was assaulted and lost her memory. 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:25,760 Others thought she engineered her own disappearance. 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,400 A young girl and a five-month-old infant are abducted. 8 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,280 Now two grief-stricken mothers need your help 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,840 in finding their missing children. 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,720 Like the character Dr. Doolittle, 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,000 Sonia Fitzpatrick says she can talk to the animals. 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,960 Case after case, she is stoned as skeptics. 13 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:49,280 Is it a miraculous gift or merely clever showmanship? 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,480 After an explosion and fire destroyed an Arizona home, 15 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:55,200 firefighters discovered the murdered bodies of a woman 16 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,360 and her two children in the smoldering ruins. 17 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,480 But the man of the house was nowhere to be found. 18 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,040 Could the seemingly devoted husband and father 19 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,360 have been involved in killing his own family? 20 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,000 Join me. 21 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,520 Someone somewhere is a one vital clue 22 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,040 that can help solve a mystery. 23 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:15,440 Perhaps it's you. 24 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,760 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. 25 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,760 Jeff and Judy Smith are on vacation, 26 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,160 mixing business with pleasure. 27 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,480 Jim has spent the day at a conference. 28 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,600 Judy has been sightseeing. 29 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,960 They have agreed to meet at their hotel at 5 PM. 30 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:17,440 Judy? 31 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:22,720 So I got back to the hotel room about 5 30. 32 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,040 And she wasn't there. 33 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:30,480 And by about 6 30, I was starting to get worried. 34 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:35,160 She was somebody who believed in being absolutely on time. 35 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,440 In fact, if you were on time, you were already late 36 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,960 by her standards. 37 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,760 Jeff contacts hospitals in the police, 38 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,800 but he turns up nothing. 39 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,440 He then searches Philadelphia for a new home. 40 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,760 But he turns up nothing. 41 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,880 He then searches Philadelphia by taxi. 42 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,080 Driver, I want to follow the route for the flash bus. 43 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,280 He traces a path of the tour bus Judy had planned to ride 44 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:03,600 that day. 45 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,760 I was fearful that something had happened to her, 46 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:12,480 but I actually believed that I would be able to find her. 47 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,800 It was mind boggling. 48 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,400 I just couldn't figure out what could have happened to her. 49 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:27,200 Months went by, but no trace of Judy Smith was found. 50 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,920 The Philadelphia police were just as perplexed as her husband. 51 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:34,680 They could find no evidence she had been murdered or abducted. 52 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,880 Judy's family believed she had an accident 53 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,960 and developed amnesia. 54 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,440 But some of her closest friends were convinced she 55 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,560 engineered her own disappearance. 56 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,400 It didn't make sense to me. 57 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,680 So I thought that my mom didn't know who she was 58 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,680 and was lost in the city. 59 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,040 And, you know, that was horrible to think. 60 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,800 Judy Smith shared a special closeness with Amy, 61 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,600 but two divorces had created a void in her life. 62 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,880 She and Jeff were married only five months before she disappeared. 63 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,840 Independent and strong-willed, she was adept at looking out 64 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,440 for herself, yet possessed a generous spirit. 65 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:24,120 Judy was caring, loving, responsible, 66 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:29,080 and someone I loved deeply. 67 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,440 She had a way, and she did this for me. 68 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,880 She just took people into her lives 69 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,880 and somehow made them better just by being who she was, 70 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,880 because she was a very caring person. 71 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,720 The mystery began at Boston's Logan Airport. 72 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,600 Here, a curious chain of events began to unfold. 73 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,600 Judy failed to bring her driver's license. 74 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,360 Airline regulations prohibited her from boarding her flight 75 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:57,960 without a photo ID. 76 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,600 And she told me to go ahead and that she would take a later 77 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:07,160 plane and come down and meet me with some reluctance. 78 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,960 I agreed to do that. 79 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:11,360 Thanks. 80 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:12,560 I'll give you a call. 81 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,600 In Philadelphia that day, Jeff attended his business conference. 82 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,960 At 10 PM, Judy arrived at their hotel. 83 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:22,280 I brought you some flowers. 84 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:24,440 It's an apology for what happened in the airport. 85 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,520 I don't have to apologize. 86 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:27,680 I missed you so much. 87 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,880 How was your flight? 88 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,920 Some time after 9 o'clock the next morning, 89 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,760 Judy set out for her day of sightseeing. 90 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,520 As always, she carried her belongings in her trademark 91 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,320 red backpack. 92 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,200 She had told Jeff she planned to visit Independence Hall 93 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,920 and see the Liberty Bell. 94 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,640 Whatever caused Judy to vanish occurred during the next eight 95 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,800 hours. 96 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,560 After the Philadelphia police turned up no trace of Judy, 97 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,520 Jeff had no choice but to return to Boston. 98 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,040 From his office, he faxed and mailed 9,000 flyers 99 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,160 about Judy from Maine to Florida. 100 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,440 He also hired three private investigators, 101 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,920 but they uncovered no significant clues. 102 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,560 Five months after Judy vanished, 103 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,800 a father and son were hiking near Asheville, North Carolina. 104 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,280 They found a partially buried skeleton 105 00:06:24,280 --> 00:06:28,320 which animals had strewn over a 100-yard area. 106 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,200 Our victim was a wife female, probably 107 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,120 in her late 40s to mid 50s. 108 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,800 And the pathologist's report indicates 109 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,800 that there's puncture rooms and cuts on the bra, which 110 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,960 could be consistent with stab wounds. 111 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,320 Jeff's flyers had been circulated throughout the area, 112 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,640 so a request was made for Judy's dental records. 113 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,400 Forensics experts confirmed that the homicide victim 114 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,440 was Judy Smith. 115 00:06:58,440 --> 00:06:59,240 I was shocked. 116 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,880 I guess you always anticipate that your parent will die, 117 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,160 but not early. 118 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,560 We always talked about when I would have kids, 119 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,960 and looking forward to that day. 120 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,200 And I guess I just never thought that you 121 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,840 wouldn't be there for that. 122 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:22,000 The information came that the dental records matched, 123 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,160 and my first reaction was I didn't believe it. 124 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:30,160 How did Judy Smith end up 700 miles from where she vanished? 125 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,480 Four eyewitnesses in Asheville claim 126 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,600 to have encountered Judy just days 127 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:39,800 after she had mysteriously vanished from Philadelphia. 128 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:40,720 Hi there. 129 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:41,600 Hi. 130 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,920 One of them was retail clerk Joanne Stucker. 131 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,560 She seemed very alert to me. 132 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,360 She was very pleasant. 133 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,560 I didn't see anything about her that would indicate 134 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,080 that she wasn't right in any way. 135 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,080 Where are you from? 136 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:57,120 I'm from Boston. 137 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:58,320 Oh, I love Boston. 138 00:07:58,320 --> 00:07:59,720 I have a friend in there. 139 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:00,760 Judy Casey. 140 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:01,600 Casey, that's it. 141 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,240 Really? 142 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:04,800 My name's Judy, too. 143 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,880 She told me her husband was an attorney, 144 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,920 and that they were from Boston, and that they had been 145 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,880 in Pennsylvania. 146 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:18,640 And he was at a convention, and she decided to come down here. 147 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,160 If Judy left Philadelphia of her own free will, 148 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,560 a question loomed. 149 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:25,960 Why? 150 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,080 At the time this happened, Jeff and Judy's marriage 151 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,440 was very tenuous. 152 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,000 I believe that something did happen in Boston that 153 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,760 triggered her to want to have some time away from Jeff. 154 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,400 I don't believe that she would have shown up at the airport 155 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,240 without her driver's license if she hadn't decided 156 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,640 that that was a way for her to kind of gracefully let 157 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,320 Jeff head towards Philadelphia and give her some time. 158 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,840 And I think then she maybe did show up at the hotel, 159 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,760 brought him flowers to placate him, 160 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,040 and then made her move. 161 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,640 I'm not going to try to suggest that she and I never 162 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:08,840 had a disagreement, but I believe she was happy with her life 163 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:09,800 at this point. 164 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,480 She loved Jeff, and you don't do that to someone that you love. 165 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,920 And if she did leave, the only thing I could think is maybe 166 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,640 she, something happened to her before she had time to call. 167 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,120 What scenario resulted in Judy's murder 168 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,480 in an isolated area of North Carolina? 169 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,480 Who stabbed her and left her in a shallow grave? 170 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,120 Was it a stranger or someone she may 171 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,160 have schemed to meet in Asheville? 172 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:45,480 If you're looking for the mystery man, there was a one. 173 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:46,400 Is it this way? 174 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,160 Judy was the type of person that could have easily 175 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,760 bumped into another person and spent some time with him. 176 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,640 Everybody was a good person to Judy. 177 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,680 And I think that was what made her vulnerable 178 00:09:57,680 --> 00:09:58,920 to whatever happened to her. 179 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,520 It doesn't make sense that my mom would leave Philadelphia. 180 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,040 It doesn't make sense that she would be found in Asheville. 181 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,960 It doesn't make sense that someone would hurt her. 182 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,920 Investigators trying to understand what happened 183 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,120 found two clues to who may have murdered her. 184 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,200 We found a blue and black backpack at the crime scene. 185 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,000 I believe that the backpack that was left 186 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,600 doesn't belong to Judith Smith. 187 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,800 I believe that it potentially belongs to our suspect. 188 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,480 There was a pair of sunglasses there. 189 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,640 These particular glasses were manufactured by Bollet. 190 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,760 They retail for somewhere around $110. 191 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,600 And speaking with Judith's friends, 192 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,760 Judith wouldn't have spent $110 for a pair of glasses. 193 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,280 We believe that these glasses did not belong to Judith 194 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,640 and that they potentially belong to our suspect. 195 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,680 North Carolina investigators still 196 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:59,800 have no clue why Judith Smith was killed. 197 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,960 Lieutenant Sam Casas does say, however, 198 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,080 that they have ruled out robbery as a motive. 199 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,160 Found at the crime scene was Judy's diamond wedding ring 200 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,360 and $167 in cash. 201 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:20,360 You have a first? 202 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,120 Yeah, you've got your first. 203 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,880 On the night of July 9th, Colleen Nick 204 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,720 took her six-year-old daughter Morgan 205 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,680 to a Little League baseball game in Alma, Arkansas. 206 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:35,240 It was an evening of shared joy between mother and child, 207 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,640 with no hint of the nightmare about to unfold. 208 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,680 We'd made the choice to go just Morgan and I 209 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:43,600 just to have girls night out. 210 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:49,680 And it was such a warm, close, fun night. 211 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,720 You want to come with us to catch some fireflies? 212 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:52,880 Well, I don't know if my mom's left. 213 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,120 Throughout the evening, two local girls 214 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,000 asked Morgan to come play with them. 215 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,280 Mom, can me and my friends go catch fireflies? 216 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:02,840 Oh, I don't think so, honey. 217 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:03,840 Honey. 218 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,400 Colleen, that should be fine. 219 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:06,360 Are you sure it's safe? 220 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:07,320 Sure. 221 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,480 Finally, against my better judgment, 222 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,640 I told her that she could go and play. 223 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,200 And she threw arms around my neck and gave me a big hug. 224 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,080 Stay where I can see you. 225 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,080 We could see them very clearly. 226 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:22,840 And in the last time that I turned to look, 227 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,080 Morgan was running back and forth playing. 228 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,080 But when the baseball game ended, 229 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,080 the two girls returned to the field without Morgan. 230 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,560 Girls, girls, where's Morgan? 231 00:12:37,560 --> 00:12:39,560 Biocar getting the sand out of her shoe. 232 00:12:39,560 --> 00:12:40,560 Which car? 233 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:42,560 I don't know. Yours, I guess. 234 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:44,080 I'll be right back, OK? 235 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,560 She was supposed to be dumping sand out of her shoes 236 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:49,040 by my car, but I could see my car from where I was standing, 237 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,040 and she wasn't there. 238 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,040 Morgan! 239 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,040 Morgan! 240 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,560 I went over to the car, looked around the outside of the car, 241 00:12:56,560 --> 00:12:58,040 opened the doors, looked inside the car, 242 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,840 thinking she had gotten in, even at one point, 243 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,840 looked under the car, just thinking she has to be here somewhere. 244 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,240 And within a couple of minutes, all the people, 245 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,440 most of the cars were gone, and it was very clear 246 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,440 that Morgan wasn't there. 247 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,320 As the parking lot emptied, panic began to overwhelm Colleen. 248 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:25,320 One of the baseball coaches arrived and questioned the two girls. 249 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:26,320 These little girls. 250 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:27,320 Girls, look at me. 251 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,320 When you were in the field, were you there alone? 252 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,320 They remembered seeing a man whom they described as creepy 253 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,320 talking to Morgan in the field. 254 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,320 I'm going to go find my mother, OK? 255 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:37,320 Thank you. Thank you. 256 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:38,320 Morgan! 257 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,320 One of the coaches had a cell phone and made the initial 911 258 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,320 call to law enforcement. 259 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,320 They arrived within six minutes and began to call. 260 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,200 They were looking for a cell phone, any media and massive search 261 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,200 for Morgan that night. 262 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,200 But the initial search failed to find Morgan Nick. 263 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,200 The media was alerted and flyers were posted. 264 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:01,200 Weeks stretched into months and finally years, 265 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,200 with no sign of the blonde-haired little girl. 266 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,200 It's the worst terror that any parent can ever feel. 267 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,200 There's such a sense of it not being real somehow. 268 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,200 It does not seem possible that your child could be missing, 269 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,080 that someone could have taken your child. 270 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,580 For five long years, Colleen Nick has 271 00:14:19,580 --> 00:14:22,080 searched for her daughter Morgan. 272 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,960 Faced with the same circumstances, 273 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,960 many of us would have given up hope, not Colleen. 274 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,960 In fact, Colleen's personal tragedies 275 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,920 led to a remarkable transformation. 276 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,360 The once shy mother has become a leading activist 277 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,160 for missing children all across the country. 278 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,640 In the months following Morgan's disappearance, 279 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,680 Colleen successfully lobbied the media 280 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,560 to turn Morgan's disappearance into a national news story. 281 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,560 It was then that Colleen discovered 282 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,120 she was not alone in her grief. 283 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,520 We began to get calls from other parents who 284 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,760 had heard about Morgan, whose child was now missing, wanting 285 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,760 to know what they could do. 286 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:01,560 Where did they turn? 287 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,480 What resources were available? 288 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,560 And from that, we began to get involved 289 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,960 in the bigger picture of children being missing. 290 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,000 Yes, yes, come down. 291 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:12,800 We really need your help. 292 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,000 One year after her daughter's abduction, 293 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,200 Colleen established the Morgan Nick Foundation, 294 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,440 a nonprofit organization dedicated 295 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,240 to assisting families with missing children. 296 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:26,360 The foundation has been instrumental in bringing 297 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:27,960 several children safely home. 298 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,600 Recently, Colleen Nick has become involved 299 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:37,320 in the search for a missing five-month-old girl in Arizona. 300 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,760 Jacqueline Castagnara disappeared on May 6. 301 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,520 Her mother, 19-year-old Olivia Castagnara, 302 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,920 hopes that Colleen and the Morgan Nick Foundation can help 303 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,280 find her baby daughter. 304 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,920 Olivia was last with her daughter at a swap meet 305 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,520 outside of Phoenix, Arizona. 306 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:56,840 Meet me in the middle of the food? 307 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:58,720 Yes, ma'am. 308 00:15:58,720 --> 00:15:59,400 Bye. 309 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:00,200 Bye. 310 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,000 Bye. 311 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:01,900 Bye. 312 00:16:01,900 --> 00:16:03,400 Is that your hand? 313 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:04,280 Hold on me for a second. 314 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:04,880 Bye. 315 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:05,880 Bye. 316 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,600 Bye. 317 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,480 My husband dropped me off there with my husband. 318 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,840 My two babies, Nalely, my two-year-old, 319 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,400 and Jacqueline, my four-month-old baby. 320 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:21,000 I took Jacqueline out of the car with her car seat. 321 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,960 And Nalely, I took her walking. 322 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,200 Before meeting her mother inside, 323 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,040 Olivia needed to use the restroom. 324 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,880 She finally found a portable bathroom. 325 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,440 Faced with its cramped and dirty quarters, 326 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,480 Olivia made a split-second decision 327 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,160 that would lead to tragedy. 328 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,560 Jacqueline couldn't fit inside, so I just took my two-year-old, 329 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,120 Nalely, inside the restroom, because she 330 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,960 could have walked away if I left her outside. 331 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,240 It wasn't a restroom back for a minute. 332 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:54,120 Jacqueline? 333 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:55,080 Jacqueline? 334 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:57,080 Jacqueline wasn't there anymore. 335 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,080 Jacqueline! 336 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,080 Jacqueline! 337 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,080 Jacqueline! 338 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,520 Hoping that her mother had taken the child, 339 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,520 Olivia rushed into the swap meet. 340 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,920 Jacqueline! 341 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:14,760 And I felt that my heart was beeping, like, really fast. 342 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:15,800 I was really scared. 343 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,520 Mom, do you have Jacqueline? 344 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:18,600 Do you have the baby? 345 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:19,840 My god, I lost the baby. 346 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,520 We've got to go find her. 347 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:25,680 But I felt more upset and more nervous when I saw my mom, 348 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:26,800 that she was by herself. 349 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:28,840 She didn't have the baby. 350 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:34,080 And that's when I thought I was going to die. 351 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,800 I just didn't know what to do. 352 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:36,800 My baby is missing. 353 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:37,800 I've got to have any of you. 354 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,280 Olivia and her mother went from booth to booth, 355 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,240 asking anybody if they had seen Jacqueline. 356 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,200 After 20 horrifying minutes, the police were caught. 357 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,440 I don't like what my baby is missing. 358 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,120 Avondale, Arizona, police officers immediately 359 00:17:53,120 --> 00:17:57,440 sealed off the swap meet and began an extensive search. 360 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,720 There was an officer stationed at all the exits 361 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,000 and along the fence line. 362 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,440 And as cars were leaving, we would check the vehicles 363 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:05,400 as they left. 364 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,520 As people were leaving the side exits through the gates, 365 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,600 we would go ahead and check them, make sure they weren't carrying 366 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,680 an F-in or had a car carrier. 367 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,160 Jacqueline was not found. 368 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,400 What time did you hear about this baby missing? 369 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,280 One of the swap meet vendors, however, 370 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,120 did notice a woman who she felt was acting suspiciously. 371 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:26,200 Yeah, this really creepy woman came up to my booth. 372 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,160 And I had my baby in the car seat. 373 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:29,320 And she started touching her. 374 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,560 So I went over to talk to her. 375 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,960 What she related to us was that there 376 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,800 was a suspicious woman that actually walked up to her infant 377 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,360 and caressed her infant's face and said, 378 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:43,120 what a beautiful baby. 379 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:44,920 This made her feel uneasy and this 380 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:49,000 caused her to pay attention to this particular woman. 381 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,680 But authorities were unable to find anyone who matched 382 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:52,800 the vendor's description. 383 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,520 Big, big black hair. 384 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,960 Hi, this is Colleen Nick from the Morgan Nick Foundation. 385 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,080 Colleen Nick was informed by a national missing children's 386 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:06,800 agency that a baby girl had been abducted in Arizona. 387 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,680 The Morgan Nick Foundation sprang into action. 388 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,520 We were able to do posters. 389 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,320 We were able to email Jacqueline's information out 390 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,240 to people who might not otherwise get it 391 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,400 and then to also counsel her family over the phone 392 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:21,720 if they would like to talk to us. 393 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,360 On June 25, Colleen Nick traveled to Avondale, Arizona 394 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:30,200 to meet Olivia Castagneta for the first time 395 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,320 and console her in person. 396 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,120 I just want to ask you how you're doing. 397 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:38,280 I just wish that it could be the day that they come and say 398 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,080 that they found her. 399 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,960 Olivia, who blames herself for her child's abduction, 400 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,880 was comforted to know that she is not alone in her suffering. 401 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,680 She had her daughter stolen too. 402 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,240 And she knows what you're feeling. 403 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:59,160 And it's nicer to talk to someone that knows what you're 404 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,040 going through. 405 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,040 But it wasn't your fault. 406 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,040 Is that OK? 407 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:06,040 Yeah. 408 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,800 She's beautiful. 409 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,560 I find that it's the greatest need that a family has just 410 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,840 to be able to look someone in the eye 411 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,200 and to know that there are other people who 412 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,800 haven't given up hope, to know that you're 413 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,000 going to survive this, that you're going to come through this, 414 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,320 and that hopefully your child is going to come home. 415 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,760 And I think that is what I try to bring to families 416 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:33,360 the most is that hope and that reassurance. 417 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:35,840 Assisted by the Morgan Nick Foundation, 418 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,280 police continue to search for Jacqueline Castagnetta. 419 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,840 She is now five months old and has a unique heart-shaped birth 420 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,360 mark on her upper right arm. 421 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:51,440 The selfless work Colleen Nick performs on behalf of families 422 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,720 with missing children has not detracted from her primary goal 423 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,760 to find her own daughter, Morgan. 424 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,320 But someday I believe that I will look my daughter in the eye 425 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,800 and say I fought for you every day as hard as I could, 426 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,160 and that is why you're home today. 427 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,720 I believe and I hope every single day that I get up 428 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,120 that today is the day that Morgan comes home. 429 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:15,480 And every night when I go to bed and she's not back yet, 430 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,880 I know that I'm one day closer to getting her back. 431 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,720 The next one is the racehorse trainer Mary Clark. 432 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,720 Mary Clark is worried. 433 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,720 Her promising Philly reckless has been behaving erratically. 434 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,720 Three different vets have been unable to determine why. 435 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,720 Desperate, she turns to Sonia Fitzpatrick of Houston, Texas. 436 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,600 She's been trying to figure out how to get her 437 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,720 to get her to get her to get her to get her to get her to get 438 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,720 her to get her to get her to get her to get her to get her to 439 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,720 get her to get her to get her to get her to get her to get her 440 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,720 off of the field. 441 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:02,760 infect 442 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,240 Mother Lao Tung personally said is much like the 443 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:09,060 most時代加油 stories of herwhichly 444 00:22:09,060 --> 00:22:11,800 the bestaf Tout, prepare better for now. 445 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,800 Let us be our families alone. 446 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,700 Sonia knowslaughing andksen 447 00:22:17,700 --> 00:22:19,600 and says no mom you ask her son 448 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:20,600 don't talk to her. 449 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,240 He answers properly they say 450 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,240 on the left side. 451 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,980 Paine was a plausible explanation for Reckless's 452 00:22:26,980 --> 00:22:30,280 mysterious conduct over the past several months. 453 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,960 Unknown to Sonia, Reckless had been rearing back violently 454 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,360 before all her races. 455 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:37,920 Reckless and easy acting up in the starting gate. 456 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,200 Even worse, she sometimes flipped over backwards, 457 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,240 putting herself in her jockey and peril. 458 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,100 And now she's telling me she's flipping to try and get 459 00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:49,340 away from the pain. 460 00:22:49,340 --> 00:22:51,640 When I heard the words flip, I was 461 00:22:51,700 --> 00:22:55,580 I was astonished because I hadn't discussed the flipping. 462 00:22:55,580 --> 00:22:59,380 And my heart was broken because that meant 463 00:22:59,380 --> 00:23:02,440 that this mare had been flipping in these races 464 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,920 because of excruciating pain. 465 00:23:06,820 --> 00:23:08,220 No, it's not a tooth. 466 00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:09,420 It's something. 467 00:23:09,420 --> 00:23:12,460 I'm feeling that there's something stuck in here. 468 00:23:12,460 --> 00:23:17,000 I said to Mary, you really need to have this left side x-rayed 469 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,460 because I feel there's something stuck in there. 470 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,920 At Texas A&M University, veterinarians 471 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,920 take x-rays of Reckless, focusing on the area specified 472 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,000 by Sonia. 473 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,360 Amazingly, the x-rays confirm there 474 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:35,600 is a mysterious foreign object embedded inside Reckless's head. 475 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,140 Next, a veterinary surgeon attempts to remove it. 476 00:23:40,140 --> 00:23:42,480 You're not going to believe what we found. 477 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,280 And he opened his hand, and he said, 478 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,840 this is what we found in the mare's jawline. 479 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,620 The object is a metal fragment that 480 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,640 has broken off from the horse's halter. 481 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,040 Oh, my gosh. 482 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,280 It was a pretty horrifying thing to look at. 483 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,120 He said, this would have been the most painful thing 484 00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:59,080 I can ever imagine. 485 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,360 Reckless recovers fully following the surgery. 486 00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:06,400 She is now retired from racing, completely free from pain. 487 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,040 Sonia truly talks to these horses. 488 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,400 They are giving her conversation. 489 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,800 They are sharing with her their feelings, 490 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,540 their wants, and their desires. 491 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,800 It's an amazing gift. 492 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,640 Animals love to talk, and they love it when you answer them. 493 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,400 The first time they have someone that answers them, 494 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,320 they are so pleased. 495 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,560 And it's like, oh, she really can talk our language. 496 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,680 Consonia Fitzpatrick truly speak telepathically 497 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,360 with animals. 498 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:39,640 She is merely a talented showman. 499 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,360 5,000 animal lovers who paid for her services 500 00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:45,200 are convinced her gifts are genuine. 501 00:24:45,220 --> 00:24:47,140 Skeptics say she's doing nothing more 502 00:24:47,140 --> 00:24:49,900 than picking up on the body language of pets 503 00:24:49,900 --> 00:24:53,020 or inadvertent cues from their owners. 504 00:24:53,020 --> 00:24:55,820 Well, put Sonia to the test before our unsolved mysteries 505 00:24:55,820 --> 00:25:01,020 cameras, and allow you to judge for yourself. 506 00:25:01,020 --> 00:25:02,020 Where do you run, Lee? 507 00:25:02,020 --> 00:25:03,180 Come on, let's eat. 508 00:25:03,180 --> 00:25:05,300 Debbie Oliver was among those who did not 509 00:25:05,300 --> 00:25:07,780 believe in Sonia's professed power. 510 00:25:07,780 --> 00:25:10,540 Debbie operates a dog kennel in Houston, Texas, 511 00:25:10,540 --> 00:25:14,380 and is no stranger to animal behavior. 512 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,200 I thought, you know, she probably just kind of 513 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,400 looks at their body language, and she can tell what they're 514 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,760 thinking, well, I can do that. 515 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,800 And we thought this is the stupidest thing 516 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:23,880 I've ever heard of. 517 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,040 Despite her disbelief, Debbie was curious. 518 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,480 So she and her husband, Dwayne, scheduled a session with Sonia 519 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,480 to see for themselves. 520 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,080 And what's the name of this beautiful dog, Debbie? 521 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,800 Zach is our golden retriever. 522 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,640 One of the ways Sonia claims to communicate with animals 523 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,760 is by inspecting a photograph. 524 00:25:41,780 --> 00:25:45,140 This method, she says, is just as accurate as interacting 525 00:25:45,140 --> 00:25:46,820 directly with the animal. 526 00:25:46,820 --> 00:25:50,060 I thought this was just basically a waste of money. 527 00:25:50,060 --> 00:25:52,100 It's one of the reasons I went, is I just 528 00:25:52,100 --> 00:25:55,780 didn't want my wife to waste any more money on it. 529 00:25:55,780 --> 00:26:00,020 I told Debbie to make sure that she didn't tip Sonia off, 530 00:26:00,020 --> 00:26:01,260 and she didn't. 531 00:26:01,260 --> 00:26:03,940 Well, Zach is telling me you've moved house. 532 00:26:03,940 --> 00:26:08,380 And since he moved house, he hasn't had any ice cubes. 533 00:26:08,380 --> 00:26:09,180 That's true. 534 00:26:09,180 --> 00:26:11,500 When Sonia talked about the ice cubes, 535 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,840 that got my attention right away. 536 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,720 We thought, that's a really specific item. 537 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,480 How in the world did she know that? 538 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,680 And he is sending me a picture of little balls, blue balls. 539 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,360 Other dogs playing with all these blue balls. 540 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:28,280 The more the session went on, the more amazed 541 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,640 I became on what was happening there. 542 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,880 And who is this little dog that's here? 543 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,160 She's just coming in. 544 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:34,960 What's her name? 545 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,640 That's Miss Daisy. 546 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,780 Miss Daisy wants to know, where is that pink thing, 547 00:26:41,780 --> 00:26:44,300 something with her ears, that goes on her head, 548 00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:47,660 and something matching that goes here, pinks? 549 00:26:47,660 --> 00:26:50,220 And I want my gosh, I just went to a flea market 550 00:26:50,220 --> 00:26:53,220 a couple weeks ago, and I got her this little hat 551 00:26:53,220 --> 00:26:54,620 that I have to pull her ears through, 552 00:26:54,620 --> 00:26:56,780 because she's got long floppy ears, 553 00:26:56,780 --> 00:26:59,140 and a pink bandana that matches it. 554 00:26:59,140 --> 00:27:01,660 Well, she'd like to wear it more often, mum, please. 555 00:27:01,660 --> 00:27:04,380 And can you put that on her when she goes home? 556 00:27:04,380 --> 00:27:06,260 Very polite, your dogs. 557 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,920 There's just no way she could have known that, 558 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,520 unless she had a detective living with us, or had cameras here. 559 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,920 So that's kind of when we started thinking, 560 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,920 this is pretty amazing. 561 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:22,200 Somehow, she really is talking to these animals. 562 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,840 Sonia says her rare ability developed in childhood. 563 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,200 It came about, she claims, because she suffered 564 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,600 a significant hearing loss that persists to this day. 565 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,560 Having a hearing loss, my senses heightened, 566 00:27:34,620 --> 00:27:37,260 and animal senses are very heightened. 567 00:27:37,260 --> 00:27:41,580 So I think that is why I was able to speak to animals, 568 00:27:41,580 --> 00:27:44,300 because I drew on my other senses. 569 00:27:44,300 --> 00:27:48,940 If Sonia's gift is genuine, can science account for it? 570 00:27:48,940 --> 00:27:52,660 Jessica Utts is a professor of statistics at UC Davis. 571 00:27:52,660 --> 00:27:55,500 Her statistical evaluations of psychic phenomena 572 00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:58,540 indicate it may be valid. 573 00:27:58,540 --> 00:28:00,940 One possible explanation for what Sonia's doing 574 00:28:00,940 --> 00:28:03,740 is that we, and animals as well, 575 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,080 have some sort of sense that we used to rely on 576 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,760 before we had language, and that that sense 577 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,920 is still quite vital in animals, 578 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,560 because they don't have language, 579 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,680 and that Sonia is somehow able to pick up on that information. 580 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,760 Animals speak in pictures. 581 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,120 So if I was to say to you, 582 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:25,160 could you tell me where Buckingham Palace is, 583 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,440 or the Statue of Liberty? 584 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,520 You form a picture in your mind, you visualize it, 585 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,400 and that picture is going out into your energy fields, 586 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,980 and the animals see those pictures 587 00:28:34,980 --> 00:28:37,140 and receive them from wherever you are. 588 00:28:37,140 --> 00:28:39,140 I think the more likely explanations here 589 00:28:39,140 --> 00:28:42,100 are that she's reading the body language of the owners, 590 00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:44,140 or the body language of the animals. 591 00:28:44,140 --> 00:28:47,140 It is probably also the case that we occasionally hear 592 00:28:47,140 --> 00:28:49,940 a spectacular story where she gets information 593 00:28:49,940 --> 00:28:51,740 that no one could possibly know. 594 00:28:51,740 --> 00:28:53,780 But what we don't know is how many times 595 00:28:53,780 --> 00:28:56,460 there were other stories that turned out not to be true. 596 00:28:56,460 --> 00:28:57,380 Hello, Sonia. 597 00:28:57,380 --> 00:28:58,700 Nice to meet you. 598 00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:00,580 We asked Sonia to visit pets and owners 599 00:29:00,580 --> 00:29:03,180 she had never met before in front of our unsolved 600 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:04,880 mysteries cameras. 601 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,200 We selected them independently. 602 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,960 Sonia had no prior knowledge of their background. 603 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,200 What's this one's name? 604 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:12,120 That's Minnie. 605 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:12,960 Minnie? 606 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,360 How old is Minnie? 607 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,560 She's approximately five years old. 608 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:17,440 Okay. 609 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,600 Now, Minnie says she lives with other animals as well, 610 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,800 so you better tell me what the other cat's name is. 611 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,920 The other cat's name is Murphy. 612 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:26,960 Murphy? 613 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,280 It was a time when she felt sick. 614 00:29:31,340 --> 00:29:33,460 I don't recall her being sick. 615 00:29:33,460 --> 00:29:34,820 She's feeling sick. 616 00:29:34,820 --> 00:29:37,980 What is it you use in your house on the floors? 617 00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:40,400 We don't use anything on the floors 618 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,940 other than vacuuming on the carpet. 619 00:29:42,940 --> 00:29:45,660 No, what do you use that you wash your floors with? 620 00:29:45,660 --> 00:29:46,500 Sorry. 621 00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:49,740 Ammonia, bleach? 622 00:29:49,740 --> 00:29:50,580 Exactly. 623 00:29:50,580 --> 00:29:52,660 It's the worst thing you can do for your cat. 624 00:29:52,660 --> 00:29:54,740 She discussed the fact that my cat 625 00:29:54,740 --> 00:29:57,020 seemed to have some illness related 626 00:29:57,020 --> 00:29:59,940 to the cleaning products that I used on my kitchen floor. 627 00:29:59,940 --> 00:30:01,360 And the fact of the matter is the cat 628 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,600 is now an outdoor cat and has been for some time. 629 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,040 Now, Minnie thinks she's in charge 630 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,800 and she's telling me she's in charge, so I... 631 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,600 Overall, I would say on a scale of one to 10, 632 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,440 she got to right out of 10. 633 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,200 Yeah, she said that she's... 634 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,560 Some animals are really clear with their communication 635 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,120 and very direct and then just as people, 636 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,280 others don't communicate so well. 637 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,280 So before they can send you a reply back. 638 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,500 So that is the reason why sometimes 639 00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:33,020 I don't always get something 640 00:30:33,020 --> 00:30:36,020 and I do occasionally get animals like that. 641 00:30:36,020 --> 00:30:38,780 Hello, beautiful. 642 00:30:38,780 --> 00:30:40,500 Hi, what's your horse's name? 643 00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:41,420 Charlie. 644 00:30:41,420 --> 00:30:44,420 Charlie, oh, Charlie. 645 00:30:44,420 --> 00:30:47,380 Charlie is an 11-year-old racehorse. 646 00:30:47,380 --> 00:30:50,820 Sonia has not been told that he almost died recently 647 00:30:50,820 --> 00:30:53,860 after suffering continual abuse from a previous owner. 648 00:30:55,260 --> 00:30:56,420 He's very emotional. 649 00:30:56,420 --> 00:31:00,200 He's had a lot of pain in his life 650 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,040 and I'm feeling that pain from him 651 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,200 and he's had a tremendous amount of abuse. 652 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,720 I was surprised that she picked up on the fact 653 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,260 that he had been abused so quickly. 654 00:31:12,260 --> 00:31:14,840 I really expected her to ask me questions 655 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,920 that anybody could figure out, okay, well, from that, 656 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,560 I would assume that he had been abused, 657 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,360 but she basically started just talking to me. 658 00:31:23,380 --> 00:31:26,120 His leg has also had a problem here. 659 00:31:27,380 --> 00:31:29,020 Here, sorry, here. 660 00:31:29,020 --> 00:31:32,220 It was real strange that she would be able to pinpoint 661 00:31:32,220 --> 00:31:35,540 an injury from his hip because there's no scars. 662 00:31:35,540 --> 00:31:40,060 I mean, he was in such pain and agony at one time 663 00:31:40,060 --> 00:31:43,980 and something with the foot that was really painful. 664 00:31:43,980 --> 00:31:46,540 He has a crack in his hoof 665 00:31:46,540 --> 00:31:48,660 and she knew which hoof was cracked. 666 00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:50,060 And that brings back the memories. 667 00:31:50,060 --> 00:31:52,300 Every time there is a touch. 668 00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:56,480 The hardest part is when an animal has been abused 669 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,560 and sometimes even now I think, 670 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,160 oh God, I don't wanna hear this. 671 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,800 I don't wanna hear what's been done. 672 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,480 I don't wanna know, but I have to know. 673 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,520 To be able to help them, I have to know what's going on. 674 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,240 He wants to know, is he gonna be staying 675 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,400 with you forever and ever? 676 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:10,680 Oh, absolutely. 677 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,160 I get tremendous inner satisfaction, 678 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,520 the fact that I've been able to be a voice for the animals. 679 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,880 It feeds my soul. 680 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,720 That's the only way I can tell you. 681 00:32:21,740 --> 00:32:24,700 It feeds my soul and my spirit. 682 00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:26,460 And yes, I love it. 683 00:32:26,460 --> 00:32:28,200 I love talking to the animals. 684 00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:34,300 The Big Fire 685 00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:36,700 The Big Fire 686 00:32:36,700 --> 00:32:37,780 What's going on there? 687 00:32:37,780 --> 00:32:38,900 It's a big fire. 688 00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:39,740 What? 689 00:32:39,740 --> 00:32:41,820 It's a really big fire because it just like blew up the fire. 690 00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:43,260 Okay, what's on fire? 691 00:32:43,260 --> 00:32:44,100 The whole house. 692 00:32:44,100 --> 00:32:44,940 The whole house? 693 00:32:44,940 --> 00:32:45,780 The whole house. 694 00:32:45,780 --> 00:32:49,160 The Big Fire 695 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,320 842 a.m., Scottsdale, Arizona. 696 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,160 A quiet residential neighborhood was 697 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,900 rocked by a powerful explosion. 698 00:32:56,900 --> 00:32:58,740 The force of the blast ripped through the roof 699 00:32:58,740 --> 00:33:02,600 of this ranch-style home, causing it to burst into flames. 700 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,680 Firefighters quickly contained the swift-moving blaze, 701 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,480 but not before much of the residents had been destroyed. 702 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,780 The home was owned by Robert and Mary Fisher, 703 00:33:12,780 --> 00:33:14,520 who lived there with their two children. 704 00:33:16,180 --> 00:33:20,620 12-year-old Brittany and 10-year-old Bobby Jr. 705 00:33:20,620 --> 00:33:23,720 When efforts to locate the fishers proved unsuccessful, 706 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,920 the fire department feared the worst, 707 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,320 that the entire family had perished in the blaze. 708 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,420 When rescuers were finally able to get inside the house, 709 00:33:32,420 --> 00:33:34,160 they found the remains of Mary Fisher 710 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,140 and her two children in the smoldering ruins. 711 00:33:37,140 --> 00:33:38,940 Still lying in their beds, 712 00:33:38,940 --> 00:33:40,780 they appeared to have died in their sleep. 713 00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:45,140 But the remains of Robert Fisher 714 00:33:45,140 --> 00:33:47,000 were not found in the burned-out home, 715 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,740 and he continues to be missing. 716 00:33:49,740 --> 00:33:51,580 Within days, investigators learned 717 00:33:51,580 --> 00:33:53,740 that it was not the fire that killed Mary Fisher 718 00:33:53,740 --> 00:33:56,780 and her two children, the three victims 719 00:33:56,780 --> 00:33:59,740 that had their throats cut. 720 00:33:59,740 --> 00:34:02,580 Could Robert Fisher, the seemingly dedicated family man, 721 00:34:02,580 --> 00:34:05,380 also have been a ruthless killer? 722 00:34:05,380 --> 00:34:07,520 If so, he was hiding a terrible secret 723 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,960 his own sister found impossible to comprehend. 724 00:34:10,820 --> 00:34:14,160 My brother loved his kids and his wife. 725 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,960 A year ago, there's no way I would have imagined any of this. 726 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,160 There was... 727 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,600 I trusted my brother with my life. 728 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,800 There's no way I would have thought 729 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,600 he would be capable of this. 730 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,240 The fishers were known as a devoted churchgoing family. 731 00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:36,040 Mary, how are you, sweetheart? 732 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,340 Good, Reverend. Thanks, yeah. 733 00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:38,680 Oh, these kids are good. 734 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,480 Robert and Mary met in high school 735 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,400 and had been married for 16 years. 736 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,280 Brittany attended junior high, 737 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,040 and Bobby was a fifth grader. 738 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,380 After a stint in the Navy, 739 00:34:52,380 --> 00:34:54,380 Robert Fisher served as a firefighter 740 00:34:54,380 --> 00:34:57,480 before a back injury cut short his career. 741 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,920 Within a few years, he became a proud father of two children. 742 00:35:02,660 --> 00:35:05,060 Robert was a very private person. 743 00:35:05,060 --> 00:35:08,360 Outwardly, he's perceived as a good father 744 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,960 good husband, churchgoing man. 745 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,880 During the investigation, we found that Robert Fisher 746 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,140 had a number of faces, a number of masks that he wore. 747 00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:21,740 Would a man who wore masks try to disguise 748 00:35:21,740 --> 00:35:23,300 a state of his marriage? 749 00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:25,720 Investigators learned from friends and coworkers 750 00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:27,560 that there may have been mounting turbulence 751 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,720 in the Fisher home. 752 00:35:29,620 --> 00:35:31,280 Two years prior to the murders, 753 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,480 Robert came to Mary with troubling news. 754 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:35,880 Remember the massage therapist 755 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,840 I was going to because of my back? 756 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:38,680 Sure. 757 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,560 Honey, I ended up having an affair with her. 758 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,960 Mary was shattered by his infidelity. 759 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:47,800 I can't believe you. 760 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,320 I want you out. I want you out. 761 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,240 Just leave. 762 00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:51,080 Just leave. 763 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,440 Fisher headed to a forest north of Scottsdale, 764 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,160 where he sought solace at his favorite hunting grounds. 765 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:11,000 When he returned a few days later, he and Mary reconciled 766 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,560 and even agreed to counseling at their church. 767 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,280 We need to address the personal issues. 768 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,920 Those are the things that are usually 769 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,880 at the crux of any dispute, disagreement. 770 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,080 Robert had suffered deep emotional scars 771 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,120 at the divorce of his own parents, 772 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,840 and he was adamant that his children 773 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,840 would be able to get married to a man 774 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,280 who had never been married to a man before. 775 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,240 And he was adamant that his children 776 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:39,000 not be subjected to that same emotional pain. 777 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,200 And he's prayed about it, Mary. 778 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,840 Robert had told my dad many times 779 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,680 that divorce was not an option. 780 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,280 He would not be divorced like his parents were. 781 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,480 He did state that several times Robert did. 782 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,560 But despite his determination, 783 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,600 Marital troubles apparently resurfaced 784 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,280 in the Fisher home just prior to the murders. 785 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,720 Mary never told me that there were any problems, 786 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:04,040 but there was arguing a lot. 787 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,760 I think Robert was very controlling, 788 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,760 telling her things that he didn't need to say 789 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,000 in front of a lot of people. 790 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,680 We spoke with a very close friend of Mary's 791 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,240 and learned that she had confided in her 792 00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:22,480 that she was thinking about divorcing Robert. 793 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,280 You've done this again. 794 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:25,920 I just can't believe it after all the work. 795 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,360 Neighbors told investigators that late on the night 796 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,640 of the murders, the Fisher's had a loud disagreement. 797 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,360 I'm calling the lawyer tomorrow. 798 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:38,560 I don't think that he planned this on this particular day. 799 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,280 This is what I'm going to do. 800 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,560 I think that it precipitated over a long period of time, 801 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:49,000 and there was that one thing that triggered it. 802 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,280 And that could have been the argument. 803 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,640 Could Robert Fisher have murdered his wife and children 804 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,880 rather than put them through the heartache of divorce? 805 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,720 The crime scene investigation had uncovered intriguing clues. 806 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:04,880 A disconnect at natural gas line, 807 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,960 an out-of-place candlestick holder, 808 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,160 and the residue of some form of highly flammable liquid, 809 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,320 which led detectives to piece together a chilling scenario 810 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,440 of what they believed transpired on the night of the murders. 811 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,040 There was some type of elacirated trauma 812 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,680 to all three victims' necks, which could not 813 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,440 have occurred during the fire. 814 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,800 Several hours before the explosion, 815 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,920 investigators theorized that Robert Fisher 816 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,600 slashed the throats of each of his children 817 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,880 and then his wife. 818 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,160 In addition to having her throat cut, 819 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,880 evidence also showed Mary Fisher was shot. 820 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,280 Fire from a gas explosion usually 821 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,080 isn't as intense as the fire at the Fisher residence, 822 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:59,760 so there was some type of other flammable material used. 823 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,480 Investigators think Robert Fisher 824 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,160 doubts the house with the ignitable fluid. 825 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,120 Then the former firefighter is believed 826 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,360 to have disconnected the line leading to the gas furnace. 827 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,920 As a source of ignition, we believe 828 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,480 that a candle with a candle holder 829 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,800 was used as a timing device in order 830 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,280 to allow Robert time to leave the residence. 831 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,080 Hours later, once a sufficient amount of gas had built up, 832 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,200 this candle then triggered the explosion 833 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:31,000 and ignited the subsequent fire. 834 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,520 Robert committed the arson in order 835 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,280 to cover up the murders believing that the bodies would 836 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,280 be burned beyond recognition and would have covered up 837 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,720 any sign of what had happened. 838 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:52,040 But it didn't cover it up quite as well as expected. 839 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:53,240 Cut. 840 00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:53,740 Cut. 841 00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:59,680 A full-scale manhunt turned up few leads. 842 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,120 Then 10 days later, Mary Fisher's SUV, 843 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,640 which disappeared the same night as the murders, 844 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,320 was spotted by a hiker more than 100 miles away 845 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,640 in the Tonto National Forest. 846 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,480 It had apparently been left there the day before. 847 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,760 It was clean. 848 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,280 There was no dust on it. 849 00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,920 It was underneath pine trees. 850 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,600 And there was very little pine tree needles 851 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,160 on top of the vehicle or in the vehicle, 852 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,040 which indicated to us that it had probably been dumped there 853 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,160 within 24 hours of discovery. 854 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,720 Investigators descended on the remote area. 855 00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:41,040 They learned from Fisher's friends 856 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,480 that he went there often on hunting trips. 857 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,120 The conditions were harsh, and the landscape 858 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,960 itself was riddled with hundreds of caves. 859 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,880 Days of extensive searching would prove fruitless. 860 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,320 Two theories emerged. 861 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,720 One speculated that a despondent Robert Fisher took refuge 862 00:40:57,720 --> 00:41:01,000 in one of the caves, where he eventually committed suicide. 863 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,160 The other theory suggested that a cunning Fisher 864 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,960 left the SUV behind to divert the attention of investigators 865 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,640 and then back to the police. 866 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:20,160 Where would he be? 867 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,960 How could he have gone to where he would be? 868 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,440 He didn't take any money with him. 869 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,360 And he would be in so much physical pain from his back. 870 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,240 I don't know if he did this. 871 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:34,360 I don't know how he could be alive, 872 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,360 knowing how much my brother loved his family. 873 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,760 However, Detective John Kirkham does not 874 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,920 subscribe to the suicide theory, and he 875 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,240 feels that Robert Fisher is not dead. 876 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:52,040 The theory of Robert Fisher remaining 877 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:57,800 suicide in the woods after leaving the vehicle, 878 00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,760 I believe, is a remote possibility. 879 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,400 The vehicle itself was about a quarter of a mile off 880 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,920 of an improved Forest Service Road. 881 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,480 It's a fairly active area with a lot of traffic on that road. 882 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,400 And there are various places that one 883 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:24,560 could use a phone, catch a ride, that sort of thing. 884 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:29,800 He has now probably started a new life under an assumed 885 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:30,280 identity. 886 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,040 If Robert wanted to kill himself, 887 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,640 he would have done it when he killed Mary, Brittany, and Bobby. 888 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,160 It's one of my beliefs. 889 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,480 So I do believe Robert is alive, yes. 890 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,600 Robert Fisher has been indicted for the murders 891 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,400 of his wife and children. 892 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,200 Fisher is 41 years old, stands six feet tall, 893 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,680 and weighs 190 pounds. 894 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,200 He also has surgical scars on his lower back 895 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,440 and a gold crown on his upper left canine tooth. 896 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,840 Robert Fisher should be considered armed and dangerous. 897 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,520 Join me next time for another intriguing hour of Unsolved 898 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:05,520 Mysteries.